Laura Lee Interview with George Meinig,
DDS & Dr. M. LaMarche
Cavitations & Root Canals
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Laura Lee: Have you ever looked at fossil remains
of dinosaurs or those of early man and noticed those rows and rows of
perfect teeth still intact? Have you ever wondered why modern man can't
seem to get through a lifetime with all his teeth intact, it doesn't
seem fair does it? What are we doing wrong? No doubt you've heard and
we have covered in depth on this show the problems arising from mercury
and silver amalgams. It's
so well known in fact that 50% of the over 1,000,000 amalgams placed in
teeth of Americans today are composites. A new material that doesn't
contain mercury. You probably thought that mercury was the big issue
and that now you know about it you're safe in terms of what's safe in
your mouth. I'm sorry, but there's more. There's much, much more. And
we have tonight two gentlemen who
are experts in their field in some of the newest research, actually
research, but it's just getting the attention today that it deserves.
that is problems with root canals; apparently there are bacteria that
be harbored in root canals no matter how perfectly they're done. These
mutate and become toxin factories, they can get out into the
cause degenerative diseases or make them worse. Also cavitation is a
term you're going to learn tonight and that is the space left in the
when a tooth is extracted. If an infected tooth or simply a wisdom
that needs to come out to make space, problems can arise with dead
in the jawbone and you're going to learn tonight what you can do about
conditions. We have with us Dr. George Meinig, the author of Root Canal
It's a book that details this work from the 1920's done by Dr. Westin
Research that has been done recently and confirmed. He's a specialist
root canals and a dentist. We also have with us Dr. Michael LaMarche.
a dentist that is in practice today specializing in mercury removal. He
worked closely with Dr. Hal Huggins who's a leading researcher into
toxicity and silver dental amalgams and also Dr. LaMarche is one of 13
selected nationwide selected for research into cavitations. And we're
to find out some very important and useful information tonight.
Welcome Dr. Meinig.
Dr. Meinig: Thank you very much, Laura.
Laura Lee: And welcome Dr. LaMarche.
Dr. LaMarche: Thank you, it's a pleasure to be
Laura Lee: Thank you for all the work that you
been doing in this. I know that people who are plagued with
people who want to avoid those conditions, people whose health is
don't need any extra assaults on the immune system. And this research
quite startling when you first hear about it. It begins to make more
more sense when you look into it. Let's start with you Dr. Meinig, tell
a bit about the problems with root canals, your research and why do we
have infected teeth? That's a question we'll get to - prevention - at
end of our discussion tonight, but what is a root canal, let's define
terms. What has been some of the research?
Dr. Meinig: Let me start out by saying that I am
one of the 19 founding members of the root canal association, so the
people out there don't get the idea that I have no background in the...
Laura Lee: Did I not mention that? I'm sorry,
in my notes.
Dr. Meinig: And it's important for you to know
that because I'm going to be saying some things critical about root
canal treatment today. And the reason is that I practiced some 47 years
and in all of that time I never heard about a 25-year research program
that was conducted by Dr. Westin Price in the early 1900's and actually
before then and it was finally
published in 1923. His work was all well documented in two volumes of
pages and in 25 articles that appear in the medical and dental
literature. Now what he reported and what he found with the tests which
involved some 5,000 animals over the 25 year period was root canal
distilled teeth, no
matter how good they looked, or how free they were from symptoms,
remained infected. Now that's a shocker, and it's one that many
don't want to believe because many of the things that we do as an
involve large areas of bone loss at the end of a root of the tooth and
you do the root canal filling you see that bone fills in with new bone
how could that dentist and that patient ever think that there could
be infection in that tooth? And the problem is that the infection
in what is known as the dentin of the tooth. The dentin involves 95% of
of the tooth substance and surprisingly, although it's almost as hard
enamel when it's cut with a drill it makes a shrill noise just like if
were cutting stone, and you would think it was a very hard solid
Surprisingly it's composed of little tiny tubules, and those tubules
so small that if we took our smallest front tooth and stretched it out
stretched those tubules out end to end - it would stretch out for a
of 3 miles. Now what happens is when you get a cavity in a tooth and
decay gets into the dentin of the tooth the bacteria that are involved
the decay process get into those tubules. I should tell you that
those tubules carry a fluid and that that fluid carries nutriments and
nutriments in those dentin tubules keep the tooth alive and healthy.
those nutriments come from the nerve and the blood vessels that come
the root canal of the tooth. And so fundamentally what happens when you
a deep cavity and it exposes the nerve of the tooth, those bacteria get
all of those dentin tubules and they remain in there causing infection
eventually they can escape and that's a story in itself. They can
in what's known as the lateral canals and there toxins can actually
directly through the root surface into what's called the peridontal
or ligament. This is a hard fibrous tissue which holds the tooth in the
socket, and when the infection gets into there it transfers easily into
bony socket and from there the bacteria and the bacterial toxins can
into the surrounding bone and the blood supply of that surrounding
And now this acts much like cancer cells, you know cancer cells
and that means that they travel around the body in the bloodstream and
get to another tissue, gland or organ and they set up a new cancer.
these bacteria from infected dentin tubules also travel around and
in the same way and they can get into the various tissue. Those
are kind of like people, you know, if they get to like Seattle or Reno
someplace they decide that's where they're going to have their home,
the bacteria traveling around the body, they may get to the liver, the
or the heart or the eyes or some other tissue and they set up an
in that area. So this is exactly what happens and why the degenerative
occur from these teeth.
Laura Lee: Now why isn't the immune system not
able to knock out these bacteria when they get outside the tooth? I can
understand three miles of tunnels in these microtubules of an infected
tooth for these bacteria to propagate in. It's hard for the immune
system to get in there, but once they travel out, what's the immune
system doing there? Just a slow wear and tear where they can't get rid
of the infection sites so it's this constant default...?
Dr. Meinig: Well, you're right, the immune system
under certain circumstances can take care of this quite adequately, but
it has to
be those people who have extremely good genetic backgrounds who are in
nutrition basis, are having no health problems, in their daily life.
Laura Lee: Now, who in the late 20th century can
make that claim with all the assaults on our systems.
Dr. Meinig: That's right, Laura, there's not very
many that can make that claim. Now if there are some people, and Dr.
Price found that 258 of his patients met that requirement, he found
they could stand root
canals for many years without any difficulty until they had a severe
until they got a case of the flu, they had some severe stress to them,
now their immune system which was able to cope with these bacteria and
toxins of the bacteria now had too much to do and they could no longer
and this person would develop a disease in their liver, their kidneys,
eyes, their brain, their whatever, just the same as a cancer
around this would happen to them in degenerative disease situation.
Laura Lee: When we come back let's talk a little
bit about Dr. Price's original research. This research went on for five
decades or so not being recognized. He was first doing this in the 209.
It went for a long long time not really being recognized, though he was
part of the establishment of his day, he did legitimate research, he
wrote volumes, it's well-documented, he did the proper laboratory
experiments, etc. etc. And yet it's counter
intuitive to what dentists observe, or how we thought the mouth worked,
bacteria in the immune system worked. So I'd like to know what's the
research, I know he did a lot with rabbits, it's pretty startling
it's dramatic research. Let's talk about that and how it went on for so
and you said there was a cover-up involved. We've got more to talk
with Dr. George Meinig, the author of Root Canal Cover-up and Dr.
LaMarche that's going to tell us a bit about cavitations. I'm Laura
Michael, you were telling me in the break that your
description of your practice in dentistry is now encompassing so much
more that you now describe it as biologically compatible dentistry.
Could you define that term and then we'll...
Dr. LaMarche: Yes, basically our practice has
changed and to say that our focus was strictly on amalgam removal would
not be correct. I think we're more focused on the nutritional aspects
of an individual in conjunction with blood chemistries and also working
very closely with physicians for the patient's general overall health.
Certainly we are concerned with heavy metals in our patients but to say
that would be our major concern and focus would...
Laura Lee: Well, I'm one of your patients and I
know that you look at the system as a holistic system and that the role
that dental health plays in that segues into so many other areas so I
think you're the dentist of the future and that you're looking at the
whole system of the person,
the entire health of the person, and that interplays, yes indeed. Thank
for making that correction. And you'll also find Dr. LaMarche in Lake
Washington. Dr. Meinig, you were going to tell us about Westin Price's
in the 1920's - how he even happened onto the thought that root canals
be a stress on the immune system.
Dr. Meinig: Before I mention that I should say
that all of this is really dealing with the theory of local infection.
Focal infection means that you can have an infection somewhere in the
body and that the bacteria that are involved may be transferred to
another tissue, gland, or organ
somewhere in the body and set up a whole new infection. Most of this
started by Dr. Billings in the first decade of this century and by 1914
research had showed that 958 of all focal infections came from teeth
from tonsils. The others came from a few other sources like infected
fingernails, toenails, appendices and so on. But what happened is that
course Dr. Price learned about all of this work and he had done a root
filling for a woman who developed a severe arthritic condition. She was
bad that she was bedridden most of the time and her hands were so
with arthritis that she could hardly feed herself. And when he heard
all of this focal infection work by Billings he realized that maybe
root fill that he did that looked so fine on the X-rays was part of her
in causing this arthritis. And so like all research programs in which
get involved, there's usually one that sets of the tone and this case
happened to be the one that captured everybody's imagination. There
were a lot of others,
but this one did, and the reason was that he finally convinced her that
should have that tooth removed and she came into his office, had the
removed aseptically incidentally, because if he contaminates the tooth
he's taking it out with the saliva and other things then that's a
of introducing other bacteria into the situation.
Laura Lee: Also couldn't do a proper lab test on
Dr. Meinig: So he did that and he secured a laboratory
animal and in this case it was a rabbit and he put a little local
anesthetic under the skin of the back of the rabbit. He made a small
buttonhole incision into the skin of the rabbit and he put that
extracted root canal filled tooth
into that incision. He put a couple of little stitches in there to hold
tooth, to keep it from popping out again and he returned the animal to
spacious cage that had plenty of good food and awaited development.
it didn't take long, two days later that rabbit developed the same
in its limbs that the patient had and in ten days it passed away from
infection from that root filled tooth. Well now this was somewhat of a
confirmation for Dr. Price that people who had root canal filled teeth
and had illnesses that the medical profession was having difficulty in
solving - that maybe these root filled teeth were causing those
problems, and so whenever he had people who were going from doctor to
doctor and not finding out what was wrong
with them, he would then advise them to have any root filled teeth out
he would implant the tooth under the skin of the rabbit or they used
of other animals, but rabbits proved to be a little more dramatic, but
same thing happened whether it was a dog or a rat or a chipmunk or
they used, these same diseases would occur. Well the surprising thing
when the patient with a heart condition came in and had a root filled
and wasn't getting anywhere with his treatment and they took that root
tooth and implanted it under the skin of a rabbit, by golly, that
got a heart condition and usually passed away within a few days. If the
had kidney trouble, well the rabbit got kidney trouble. And if the
had trouble with their eyes, well the rabbit got trouble with the eyes.
a matter of fact the eyes reacted so severely that even minor problems
the patient's eyes would cause the rabbit to go blindusually in two to
days. And so there were a lot of different situations and almost any
that you might think of they eventually transferred from a patient
the root filled tooth into another laboratory animal.
Laura Lee: So what's the theory with the focal
infection? Why is it there's the connection with the infected tooth and
that problem area in another part of the body?
Dr. Meinig: Well, the reason that this is a focal
infection is because the infection came from the tooth and traveled
from the tooth to
the heart or the kidneys or the lungs or some area of the body and it
up a new infection.
Laura Lee: Right, but certain bacteria that is
human transferred to an animal, say rabbit, that same bacteria will not
just accidentally go attack the liver, it will attack the eyes.
Dr. Meinig: Yes.
Laura Lee: It's destined for that one organ. How
do you explain that?
Dr. Meinig: Price I'm sure was not able to
either, it was a big surprise to them to think that almost always the
disease occurred. Sometimes it wasn't exactly the same, but it was
usually the same tissue. But most of the time it was actually the same
disease and what he did in order to prove these things in those days -
he realized he might insert his own thinking into what was happening
and so what he did very
often was to repeat experiments because they didn't know double-blind
but he did know enough about it, so what he did was he transferred...
Laura Lee: We'll get the rest of this when we
with DR, George Meinig and Dr. Michael LaMarche. And you thought it was
mercury in your mouth that was a problem. I'm Laura Lee, we'll be right
on the Laura Lee Show.
And we are back, hi. Dr. George Meinig and Dr. Michael
LaMarche are with us in studio tonight. The topic, root canals and the
problem with bacteria that get trapped inside the microtubules of the
tooth, of an infected tooth, can migrate throughout the body, they can
infect an organ, gland
or tissue, they can damage the heart, kidneys, joints, eyes, brain.
can even endanger pregnant women. These infections were first
by a 25 year root canal research program carried out by the American
Association. Dr. Meinig says this research was secretly covered up.
been re-examined and redone recently and here's the story. Let's start
some phone calls from Martin up first from Portland, Oregon. Hi,
Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a
personal topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a report from the
University of Texas
Medical School at Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they
demonstrated that 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent
periodontal disease. Well then shortly thereafter my cat came down with
distemper so I cured
him over a period of ten days using 500 mg. of vitamin C per day. And
two years after that I was diagnosed by my dentist whom I had been
to for a long time, with pretty serious periodontal disease. And he
my whole mouth upper and lower, showed me all the pockets and
I had and he sectioned my teeth of into two upper and three lower and
the scraping on the first section lower, the worst part first. Well I
so frightened and saw that there was going to be such a tremendous
of expense to me that I immediately started taking 15,000 mg per day
the next four months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third month
he said "You know something's happening here, the number of pockets you
and the size of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to
just to verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the smaller
had completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced by less
half their previous size only three months before. And he was amazed
he asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had simply been taking
mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other than that I
hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
experience using vitamin C for therapy?
Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition
and the impact it has on health overall. Dr. Meinig...
Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is
actually periodontal disease. You said that I was a specialist in
endodontics but I
preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of practice was
periodontal disease. I never had any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C,
I got many of them on vitamin C, but not that much, and your discovery
is a very interesting one and I'm going to advise a few people to try
that and let's see what
happens with them. I can't say that I've had experience to that extent
Laura Lee: I would say that you'd want to get the
plaque and everything else scraped off your teeth and give yourself a
head start. Don't do it instead of.
Dr. Meinig: That's right. Absolutely it's
important that you get all of the deposits removed, otherwise....
Incidentally those infections from periodontal pockets are as serious
as root canal filled teeth are, so it's very important that you know
Martin: Well, just recently I had had a relapse
where one of my front teeth has been pressed back partly out of the
jawbone as far
as support is concerned and developed a pretty serious periodontal
pocket because I used an infected dental floss, well I hadn't used a
one, I used one I used a couple of days previous and apparently the
had become contaminated and it infected the lower gum, down the root
below the gum. And I developed a pretty serious pus pocket down there
it took about three days to clean out physically, but then I merely
taking high doses of vitamin C and within about 2 weeks the gums are
cleared up and developed a more reddish color and the tooth was much
in the gum than it had been before. Also, ginkgo can have some of the
effect as far as helping a person of middle age or older to develop
stronger teeth, you know as far as being rooted in the jawbone and help
Laura Lee: Thanks for that story, we appreciate
that Martin. Also, let's go back to the research that Dr. Westin Price
had done you were saying you were going to explain another aspect of
Dr. Meinig: Well, we were talking about the fact
that he didn't know about double-blind studies and what he did instead.
He knew that he could introduce his own thinking into what he was doing
and so he repeated a lot of things. For instance he had a patient who
had kidney trouble and had a root filled tooth. He removed that tooth,
put it under the skin of a rabbit, the rabbit got kidney trouble and
died within a few days. He took the tooth out of that rabbit,
surgically of course, and washed it in soap and water, disinfected it
with a disinfectant and put it under the skin of another rabbit and
that rabbit got kidney trouble and passed away. He then
took that tooth out of that rabbit and put it in another rabbit and he
that 30 times.
Laura Lee: The same tooth?
Dr. Meinig: That's right. The same root filled
tooth. Now the reason he did that was that he had to prove to himself
and to the world that this infection was able to be transferred and the
only way he knew
it was to do more animals and it wasn't that he disliked rabbits, in
he took very good care of his rabbits, but this was one way he could do
about it. Now one of the things that happens with these root filled
is that when they are removed it is very often that periodontal
that is infected and the surrounding bony socket remains in the jaw and
healing gets rid of that but many times it doesn't. And what happens
is an infection that occurs in the jawbone and I think we should turn
over to Dr. LaMarche because he's going to be telling you something
that phase of things.
Laura Lee: And the term cavitation. Dr.
Dr. LaMarche: Well cavitation actually is a
the bone which was formerly occupied by a tooth. I think it's important
our listeners know that our office is one of 30 in the United States,
and Europe that have been selected to participate in a research group
the North American NICO Research Group. NICO is an acronym - Neuralgia
Cavitational Osteonecrosis. Which is another word for dead bone,
it literally means a cavity within the jaw that is lined with dead bone
causes pain. Our research group was formed by Dr. Jerry Eboco who is an
pathologist in West Virginia, and he began researching this extensively
I believe early '90s. Papers have been written on it since the '80s,
recently he's been pursuing this and he gathered together a group of
so that we could make the connection between trigeminal neuralgia,
facial pain, chronic migraine headaches and cavitations. And what we
found in addition to this is when cavitations are removed, not only do
find that these trigeminal neuralgia's or this pain is relieved, but we
that patients also realize other improvements within their systemic
Laura Lee: How do you remove a cavitation, what
mean by that? Remove the dead bone?
Dr. LaMarche: Well, cavitations do not show up extremely
well on X-ray, but when they are located and maybe a little bit later
we can describe how we locate them, but a cavitation is...an incision
is made in the gum
tissue over where a tooth was formerly located, a large enough area or
is laid so that the gum is removed from the bone and we are allowed to
penetrate the cortical plate or the bone overlying the cavitation. The
dental instrument, in this case a drill, will actually fall through the
bone and into this cavity. Before we clean it out, however, we go in
with an instrument called a curette and scrape it very thoroughly and
we submit this sample to the pathologist.
Laura Lee: What kind of lab results do you often
Dr. LaMarche: Well, I would say that probably 98% and
even larger than 98% what we find is what's called ischemic
osteonecrosis, it's bone death due to poor perfusion of oxygen or blood
supply to a local area. The cavitations are lined with dead bone, the
body's response to that is to...
Laura Lee: Seal it off!
Dr. LaMarche: Seal it off, it does that with
fat, we will find fat in there. Ultimately the fat becomes calcified so
we see what's called calcific fat necrosis. We will sometimes see
chronic inflammatory cells,
however that is not the hallmark of this disease, as a matter of fact
see few inflammatory cells - many times we'll see bacteria colonies,
toxide filaments, within these specimens. I think another very
interesting thing that we have learned from this through our biopsying
is that the pathologist will identify what he terms fibrin sludging.
That is the fibrin will actually start pooling.
Laura Lee: What is fibrin?
Dr. LaMarche: It is the part of the clotting
factor and there is some proteins - C proteins, S proteins...
Laura Lee: From blood that was in there when the
tooth was pulled?
Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. What happens is the blood
initially comes into the site but because of the body's inability to
break down the clot or because of the body's ability to make a very
tenacious clot - one has either what's called thrombopheha or
hypofibrinolysis. Laura Lee: Whichever it is, it doesn't sound nice.
Dr. LaMarche: Either one of them, one of them is
tenacious clot or an inability to break the clot down, consequently
gets in, nothing gets out, we have bone death.
Laura Lee: Why does it happen in the jaw bone 98%
of the time? If someone breaks their leg bone, that bone heals up
nicely in most
instances. Why does the body have more trouble with the jaw bone tooth
than say other parts of the body?
Dr. LaMarche: That's a very good question. I
believe that when a bone is broken and two pieces are put together
that's a different kind of...
Laura Lee: There's no space left.
Dr. LaMarche: Exactly, however what has been done
in the Jewish Hospital in Cincinatti, a Dr. Glick, MD has made a direct
correlation between the head of the femur, people fracturing the head
of the femur, that osteonecrosis or bone death is identical to that
which we find in the jaws.
Laura Lee: Because that's a more solid part of
a denser part of the bone? What is it about that site?
Dr. LaMarche: I would say that probably it has
more to do
with the circulation to the area.
Laura Lee: Okay.
Dr. LaMarche: Again, osteonecrosis as we see it
as ischemic osteonecrosis and ischemic implies that it is a lack of
of blood to the site.
Laura Lee: In both cases it's a lack of oxygen
that leads to the mutation of the bacteria, they go from being aerobic
to being anaerobic bacteria in root canal instances. And here you find
a lack of oxygen to the site so there is a common factor. How often do
you find where you take
out an infected tooth, say a root canal tooth, either it's infected and
say I don't want to put a root canal in, let's pull it and do other
or it's a root canal infected tooth that you pull - probably you're
to have necrotic tissue arising because it's so full of bacteria, or
compared to say a wisdom tooth that needs to be pulled for other
reasons, it's not infected or impacted - it just needs to get taken
Dr. LaMarche: That's what we're now recommending
no matter why you have to take a tooth out - even if it isn't infected,
then a protocol needs to be followed and that protocol means that the
he removes the tooth he also removes the periodontal ligament or
membrane which is a fibrous tissue that holds the tooth in the socket,
that's what keeps the tooth from failing out. That becomes infected and
it's still attached very securely to the surrounding bony socket and so
what we recommend is that
the dentist go in with a slow moving drill and remove that periodontal
and about 1 mm of the bony socket in order to prevent these infections
occurring. And strangely enough we find in many areas for instance,
wisdom teeth when they're removed, even though they were healthy teeth
- for some reason or another they very often develop a cavitation
around them. Some 400/0
of all wisdom teeth extractions develop cavitations and the thing that
be done and what we're thinking is better to be done, is to remove that
membrane at the time you remove the tooth and some of the surrounding
in order to prevent this from happening.
Laura Lee: Well, that's great when you're
getting a tooth extracted by a dentist that knows this research and
knows the procedure, but what about all those people who have wisdom
teeth? I mean most of us have
had our wisdom teeth extracted and they've grown over and the dentist
know and so then you have a situation where you probably have to go in
and clean that out as you were describing. We'll take a break and take
phone calls when we come back and what we're going to do is have
only about the topic - cavitations, root canals, nutrition.
Root Canals & Cavitations
These are the topics, and please don't get too personal
and ask for a diagnosis. That's not what these two doctors are here
for, but to
give out information on some of this new research. We'll be right back.
Laura Lee: And we are back, hi, Laura Lee here
are talking with Dr. Michael LaMarche, dentist in Lake Stevens,
Washington area and Dr. George Meinig. He's the author of Root Canal
Cover-up, and you were in Ojai, California. We have some calls for you
gentlemen, we have Call calling in next. Hi, Call, thanks for joining
Gail: Thank you. A couple years ago I had a root
canal done and as soon as it was done it didn't feel very good and I
kept telling them I thought something was wrong and they told me it was
a great root canal and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. And
I've had a lot of pain in my right ear, and the jaw as a result and I
can't find a dentist that's willing to take that tooth out. I've been
to three endodontists and five
dentists and no one will pull that tooth, because they look at it and
it's a great root canal. So my question is - where can I find a dentist
my area that will actually look at this and possibly extract that root
tooth, it's a bicuspid.
Dr. LaMarche: Can I ask what area she's in?
Laura Lee: You're in Tacoma, Washington, Gail?
Laura Lee: Michael, you mentioned that there were
30 dentists involved in the cavitation research, what about the root
canal research? How many dentists are there out there that are up on
this and familiar with the work?
Dr. LaMarche: Well currently, right now, in the
research group there are 30 of us, and I'm sure that there will be
Laura Lee: Can dentists anywhere say "I want to
get involved, I want to find out?" They're looking for more dentists?
Dr. LaMarche: Yes, if they would contact you
perhaps you might connect them up with me and we could make
arrangements for them to communicate with Dr. Bocho so that they could
learn more about this because certainly we need more involved....
Laura Lee: Is there a list available so that
someone could send...I'11 be happy to distribute the information, but
if there's a
list then our listeners in San Francisco to Minneapolis could also
and get a list of dentists.
Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. Dr. Bocho did ask those of
us participating in this research if we would have any objections to
him giving the names out and I cannot recall that anyone raised their
hand and objected, so I'm sure that he would provide you with that
Laura Lee: And Dr. Meinig do you have any sort of
list of dentists who are up on this?
Dr. Meinig: I have a list of dentists that I
refer. This is such a new subject many dentists are in disagreement
with it of course, because they haven't heard or seen the research.
Laura Lee: They may disagree until they see the
Dr. Meinig: We do have a scattering of them
country and the only thing is that when we give you a name, the first
you ask is whether they follow the root canal extraction protocol. Now
may sound like a lot of things to say, but if you just ask if they
the extraction protocol and they say "yes," then fine. If they say
then you keep looking, because what you want is somebody that does
Dr. LaMarche: I would like to add too to this, if
I may, that it's very important that you have that biopsy. I think to
tooth out, to say we've taken care of your problem, or to remove a
cavitation and to say that we've taken care of the problem is incorrect
without substantiating the clinical diagnosis with a pathologist's
Laura Lee: So what do you find out? If you had
colonies, then what? Then what do you do?
Dr. LaMarche: Well, let me say that for example
root canal teeth radiographically on X-ray - they look beautiful, and
there are those people that don't believe that they cause a problem and
probably they don't cause a problem when one is healthy and in a
healthy state. I think when root canal teeth become a problem is when
one becomes older and there are more immunological challenges. Each
root canal tooth that we have removed we have documented on the last
150 - 147 of those have had ischemic osteonecrosis around the tooth.
Dr. Meinig: Is it in the bone around there?
Dr. LaMarche: That is in the bone surrounding the
tissue. Laura Lee: Not to mention the tooth itself, right?
Dr. LaMarche: By the way, the trichologist
also decalcifies the tooth and examines if there is any necrotic or
tissue within the tooth and some ofthese have been extremely well
well done technically.
Laura Lee: Okay, we have Mike calling from a car
phone before he gets out of range. Hi, Mike.
Mike: This has been a very interesting topic. My
wife is suffering from a probable root canal, but my question is: the
research that they did with the animals where they implanted a tooth -
how it had affected
the kidneys which was the thing of the original patient or whatever - I
to know if the original human patient got better or saw improvement
that and after the infected root canal tooth was pulled out.
Dr. Meinig: Sorry I didn't answer that right
get so involved in telling what's wrong we forget about telling you
Most of these people recover quite quickly, a little of it depends on
long they've had the infection. Obviously if they've had it for five or
years it may be pretty well entrenched and take a while to get rid of
and may not get rid of it completely. Most of them however, go away
and so many of them in one or two days, it's really very startling.
of us are beginning to think that it's a little more than the transfer
infection and it may be electrical in some way, electrical transference
the acupuncture meridians and through other systems in the body. There
a number of things we don't know about this, other than we do know that
happens and very many people by the next day - their arthritis is gone.
had them call and tell me that they can now do their mile jogging and
that they couldn't do yesterday when they had that tooth in their
Laura Lee: To me it seems like "hedge your bets."
If there's this kind of research on line, take advantage of it and this
information. Hi, Laura Lee here for a second hour to spend with Dr.
George Meinig and
Dr. Michael LaMarche talking about cavitations, that space left in the
jawbone when a tooth is extracted can lead to having necrotic dead bone
tissue there, can lead to jaw pain, neck pain, other problems. And also
root canals, the theory being that, in fact this is pretty much
confirmed, it's not really a theory, it's confirmed science, is it not,
Dr. Meinig: Well, Dr. Price used 5,000 animals to
help with all of this confirming.
Laura Lee: And he ran through those rabbits. The
that microtubules in the tooth can harbor bacteria that mutate and that
get out into the bloodstream and cause problems and compromise the
system and lead to degenerative diseases. So, we're going to find out
to do, how to prevent problems and the first place is - nutrition can
a role. I know that you also did some extensive research with Dr.
theory that nutrition impacts the development of the jaw and the
the personality. An extraordinary amount of research done that is being
today. By the way, someone wanted to know about getting a list of
in your area that is upon this research and can perform some ofthese
There is a list from Dr. Bocho who is heading up the NICO research of
Dr. LaMarche is a member, one of those 30 dentists nationwide who is
research into cavitations. And that's one reason why you're doing the
and sending it to the lab, because that's part of the research. You
Dr. LaMarche: May I add something here - that Dr.
Bocho and our group has applied for a grant and we are waiting to hear
from NIH, the National Institutes of Health, regarding acceptance of
this grant. And it looks as though they're very excited in supporting
us in our research.
Laura Lee: So this is very mainstream then?
Dr. LaMarche: Yes, it is.
Laura Lee: It's not alternative research when we
have the National Institutes of Health involved.
Dr. LaMarche: No. This makes very good sense,
what's happening, and you can't lie with microscopic slides.
Laura Lee: There are two lists - the Dr. Bocho
list of dentists, those 30 dentists in the area, and also the
of those who specialize in root canal removal problems.
Dr. LaMarche: Right.
Laura Lee: Okay, we have two lists available and
if you send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to me at P.O. Box 3010,
Bellevue, Washington 98009 we'll be happy to send you those two lists.
Let's take a call next from Alex calling from Salt Lake City, KCNR, hi